Luck vs. RGIII? - Page 2

Boone · 03-24-12, 03:24 PM

He said what he said, but it wasn't what you said. I agree with you in terms of the argument. But there was no need for the last sentence.

Now lets get back to RGIII vs. Luck

servumtuum · 03-24-12, 04:04 PM

As I mentioned earlier I'm leaning more toward RGIII than I am toward Luck. Both have displayed a level of skill and smarts as QBs that sets them apart and above the rest of the current crop of available QBs in this years draft. Their styles are notably different but effective.

I agree with Boone about the "excitement" factor of RGIII being a major component. The Redskins and we fans have been mired in year after year of doldrums laced with glimpses of promise but always with caveats based on "more of the same"-a "tweak" rather than a change of direction, an "upgrade" rather than a re-make. I think it's time to shake things up, go off in a new direction, shed the painful nostalgia of past successes and realize there will be no more '83, 87, or 91 type Redskins teams that can win a SB. The next team the Redskins have that is a SB contender won't look anything like the previous SB winning teams.

They can't-that type of football won't do it anymore. Not in Washington. Not with the Redskins.

The emergence of the Tebow, Newton, Griffin, and-to a certain extent even Luck type QBs, are QBs that aren't of the cookie-cutter mold we've come to believe is "The Only Right Way" to a winning team. RGIII doesn't look like anything the Redskins have ever had under center and that's, IMHO, exactly what the Redskins need in this decade-something different, new, fresh, a skilled, mobile, bright, and wonderfully athletic QB who can energize this team, energize the fans, get us out of a 20 year old battle between angst and ennui and get butterflies back in our stomachs.

Yes, I think Andrew Luck could do that.

I think RGIII could do it better.

Boone · 03-24-12, 04:08 PM

Love that post serv...sponge...err...I mean BLOG-worthy

TomE · 03-24-12, 04:34 PM

Flipped a coin and it came up Griff.

Neophyte · 03-24-12, 04:45 PM

Griffin and it isn't even close. Can I vote twice?

Extreme · 03-24-12, 05:18 PM

Griffin. Period.

Fear The Spear · 03-24-12, 05:21 PM

For those who are clearly sold on Griff. What was the deciding factor, that gives him the edge over Luck in your mind ? His character, athletic ability, his good looks ?

Boone · 03-24-12, 06:15 PM

Smarts, self-motivation, coupled with off-the-chart athletic ability.

Neophyte · 03-24-12, 06:19 PM

He says "yes sir" and "no sir" as part of his regular conversation.

Rymanofthenorth · 03-24-12, 07:43 PM

Lanky, your argument about the style of football is not only facetious but fallacious. Look at how many Big 12 QB's put up massive numbers, I am not talking about in the past century but the past 10 seasons even, I cant name ONE good QB in the NFL who came out of the big 12 even though the Big 12 has had several QB's who put up ridiculous numbers in a conference that supposedly only recently " added the forward pass".

I can see why guys like Boone and Neo are excited, even on film the kid looks like he is moving at another speed, I am almost swayed by how pretty of a pass he throws and how often he hits guys in stride, but windows in the NFL are not the same in College, Andre Ware threw a nice ball, Mike Vick and Randall Cunningham were both pretty crazy fast and had BIG arms. What Concerns me is precedent COMBINED with stats. If it was an eyeball test, he is a bit small and not very thick but that would be offset by his startling athleticism, if it was a film test, he passes easily because his film hilites are awesome to watch, but his quality of competition defencively worries me massively.

I also worry about the added pressure he has now with being our Saviour, and I am more worried that we lack a true LT and a great pass protecting line, I am hopeful that the huge chunk of money we spent on a receiver wasnt wasted, but I still think a true possession receiver will be key and im hopeful that morgan or hank becomes that guy. just too many ifs for my blood.

Rymanofthenorth · 03-24-12, 07:45 PM

btw David Carr is the example that I think most fits here, he was lauded as the saviour for the texans, played behind a good run blocking but poor pass protecting line, took a beating and never recovered.

Burgundy Burner · 03-24-12, 07:58 PM

I voted and you get 3 guesses as to who I chose.

Fear The Spear · 03-24-12, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Rymanofthenorth

btw David Carr is the example that I think most fits here, he was lauded as the saviour for the texans, played behind a good run blocking but poor pass protecting line, took a beating and never recovered.

Joey Harrington, too

Elephant · 03-24-12, 08:37 PM

I like those who choose RG3 over Luck because of his intelligence. Baylor is by no means Arizona St in terms of academics, but it is a far cry from Stanford and Luck was an Academic All-American. Yeah, yeah, I know RG3 graduated already and was/is working on his Masters, but I cannot understand how the category of "smarts" is given to RG3 over Luck. I would call that a push since he earned Academic All-American at Stanford.

Athleticism? Let's not forget, Luck ran a 4.5 forty at 6'4" and 245. RG3 was faster, but at least 25 pounds lighter.

I like what Neo said about RG3 and how he says yes sir and no sir. That shows he was raised to respect others. But from what I saw from Luck gives me a very similar impression, he seemed genuinely gracious both times he was runner-up for the Heisman.

Athleticism? Let's not forget, Luck ran a 4.5 forty at 6'4" and 245. RG3 was faster, but 25 pounds lighter.

I think RG3 will get beat up in the NFL. I think he will rely on his athleticism more than he should in the NFL, especially with the O-line we have coupled with LB's running 4.4's now. I think Luck is better at avoiding the rush by simply shifting one step to avoid the shot. RG3 runs the ball an awful lot and he takes a lot of hard hits.

Luck for the win! Now come on Irsay! Show us all how much of an attention whore you are and take the flashy red sports car instead of the dependable luxury sedan!

Hog Fever · 03-24-12, 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Rymanofthenorth

btw David Carr is the example that I think most fits here, he was lauded as the saviour for the texans, played behind a good run blocking but poor pass protecting line, took a beating and never recovered.

I see your point but the situations are a little different (there are lots of other similar ones though). Call me crazy, I still think that behind a better O-line or a better system Carr would have been a solid NFL QB. He got beat down so thoroughly in Dom Caper's crappy offense that he was never able to grow into being an NFL starter he could have been. Going to the wrong system/situation kills more QBs careers than any lack of natural talent or leadership and I think that was the case here. That's a different argument though and I don't want to take the conversation into the ditch.

Guess my point is the cupboard isn't bare here in DC. Our offensive talent is a lot better than what the Texans had, so the situation either would come to in DC wouldn't be nearly as grim.

Honestly I think the pressure on whoever ends up in DC is going to be less than in Indy. Yes the Skins have know success but not recently. You throw a hungry man a ham sandwich and he appreciates it. If he's used to steak and lobster like the fans in Indy have has since Peyton arrived then good isn't going to be good enough. Especially if they can look to the west and see their old QB lighting it up in Denver.

Sure there will be some pressure in DC but I think it may be on par with living up to "being the best Stanford prospect since John Elway" or being the savior of a Baylor program that was dead for nearly 20 years. I think with the slightest success either of these guys are going to be immediately embraced by a city and fan-base that is starving for a winner. These guys are both winners.